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Improve Py_mod_multiple_interpreters and Py_mod_gil Usability

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Description

Feature or enhancement

Proposal:

Here are some deficiencies:

  • the slot name "Py_mod_multiple_interpreters" is a bit long
  • the "Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_*" slot value names are a bit long
  • the slot name "Py_mod_gil" is overly coupled to the GIL (it's really about thread safety)
  • the difference between Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_SUPPORTED and Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_SUPPORTED is unclear
  • Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_SUPPORTED applies to the vast majority of extensions and should be the default
  • Py_mod_gil doesn't have an option that explicitly covers the case where an external dependency is not thread-safe
  • currently Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_SUPPORTED implies an external dependency is not thread-safe and/or isolated to each interpreter; it should be the other way around (and be a synonym for Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_SUPPORTED), which would introduce a need for a Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_NOT_SUPPORTED

We could take a simple approach, working with the existing slots:

  • (maybe) shorten the names
  • add Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_NOT_SUPPORTED
  • add something like Py_MOD_GIL_USED_FOR_EXTERNAL

I think we could do better, by replacing the existing slots with new ones that focus explicitly on what we care about:

  • new module def slot: Py_mod_isolation
    • Py_MOD_NOT_ISOLATED - the module has process-global state and/or objects (e.g. static types)
    • Py_MOD_ISOLATED (default) - the module's state/objects have been isolated to the module (i.e interpreter)
  • new module def slot: Py_mod_threadsafe
    • Py_MOD_NOT_THREADSAFE (default) - the module's own state/code is not thread-safe
    • Py_MOD_THREADSAFE - the module's state/code are thread-safe; external dependencies are covered by Py_mod_external_libs
  • new module def slot: Py_mod_external_libs
    • Py_MOD_EXTERN_NOT_THREADSAFE - at least one external dependency is not thread-safe (may be used without the GIL held)
    • Py_MOD_EXTERN_NOT_ISOLATED - at least one external dependency is not isolated to the module object (i.e. interpreter)
    • Py_MOD_EXTERN_ISOLATED (default) - all external dependencies are isolated and using them is thread-safe
  • for Py_mod_isolation and Py_mod_threadsafe, external dependencies are covered by Py_mod_external_libs
  • deprecate Py_mod_multiple_interpreters slot
  • deprecate Py_mod_gil slot

Regarding the defaults, for Py_mod_isolation, multi-phase init implies isolation (per PEP 489). For Py_mod_external_libs, we assume that the vast majority of modules will not have problematic dependencies.

Equivalents to current usage:

Py_mod_threadsafe Py_mod_external_libs Py_mod_gil
Py_MOD_NOT_THREADSAFE * Py_MOD_GIL_USED
Py_MOD_THREADSAFE Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_NOT_THREADSAFE Py_MOD_GIL_USED
Py_MOD_THREADSAFE Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_NOT_ISOLATED Py_MOD_GIL_NOT_USED
Py_MOD_THREADSAFE Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_ISOLATED Py_MOD_GIL_NOT_USED
Py_mod_isolation Py_mod_external_libs Py_mod_multiple_interpreters
Py_MOD_NOT_ISOLATED * Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_NOT_SUPPORTED
Py_MOD_ISOLATED Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_NOT_THREADSAFE Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_SUPPORTED
Py_MOD_ISOLATED Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_NOT_ISOLATED Py_MOD_MULTIPLE_INTERPRETERS_SUPPORTED
Py_MOD_ISOLATED Py_MOD_EXTERNAL_ISOLATED Py_MOD_PER_INTERPRETER_GIL_SUPPORTED

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L’issue ne nomme aucun fichier source ni test ; commencez par localiser les définitions existantes des slots Py_mod_multiple_interpreters et Py_mod_gil et examiner leur comportement actuel. Validez d’abord avec les maintainers les noms de slots proposés, les valeurs par défaut et les deprecations ; le travail n’est terminé qu’une fois qu’un design a été convenu, ainsi que l’implémentation et les tests correspondants.

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