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détaché on bowed string instruments
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Description
Your idea
I propose to implement the sound of this playing technique by default, since the legato currently existing in Muse Sounds is the only style that causes a lot of trouble, which I will describe below.
Problem to be solved
At the moment, in Muse Sounds, string bows sound like legato and that's all. Legato is beautiful, but not always.
For the most part, only those notes that are marked at the beginning with either a verbal instruction or slurs over a group of notes that need to be performed as legato are performed in the legato style. If all this is not specified, then it is performed in the style of détaché.
I'll give you a couple of examples as proof.
- In this cue (at the end), the violins should sound like brillante. Please listen carefully to this passage and listen to the violins as they sound. And now everything is the same, only in the Muse Sounds format. Do you hear the difference? After all, this is really so! Violins in Musescore not only sound like fortissimo instead of forte (because at the moment Musescore still cannot fix the bug related to the constant volume, which is described in issue #16381, they also sound like legato Muse Sounds — legato. It sounds terrible, like in a horror movie. The violins there should sound brilliant, each note of the tuplet should be extracted by a separate movement of the bow (as a détaché). Because of this, I can't get the appropriate sound output (as in the original).
- In the following excerpt, you can hear how the bowed strings sound in the original. Listen to this. You can hear that each note of the bowed strings is taken by a separate movement of the bow. Now listen to how it sounds in the Muse Sounds format. In this case, all the notes are performed as legato, which is very different from the original.
I believe that if the sound in the détaché style is implemented, then this will eventually allow you to get a wonderful sound, the one that is needed for many situations. And if all the notes sound legato, then it will sound ugly.
Taking issue #13185 into account, I can say the following. There is a détaché instruction in the "text" palette (as well as legato). But it doesn't do any good, because there is no corresponding sound in the end. I propose to reduce to a détaché everything that is not legato. If the user wants it to sound legato, then let him add either a verbal instruction or slurs over a group of notes that he wants to sound legato-style. Everything else should sound in the style of détaché. And please don't tell me that such a technique can only be obtained if I add the articulations "bow up", "bow down", "bow up", "bow down" (etc.) to each note and then make it all invisible (optional). Imagine how long it will take, and in addition it will give an excessive articulatory "forest". And constantly giving instructions to legato and détaché is also a chore.
I attached a file with two scores at the bottom. You can verify the problematic sound by opening and listening to them using Muse Sounds.
legato (non detache).zip
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Additional context
I would like to note that the détaché technique is clearly audible if you play notes with tremolo added through the stems. You can hear how the bow changes its movement for each subsequent note (up-down-up-down, etc.).
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/assets/134041121/dab3c0a1-7810-499c-acba-c2ca4dcdec8b
Why does it sound like legato again without tremolo? The sound is like slob. This is strange.
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