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Qwen3 dense 8B training scale up tp 256 nodes on MN5

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In June it is planned to pretrain the Qwen3 dense 8B models on MN5 with 256 nodes. To that end, we want to have the highest throughput at 256 nodes.

TODOs:

  • Ask for the correct config for the Qwen3 dense 8B. Which will be the GBS for each number of nodes for the mid-size model (multilingual scaling laws?)?
  • Ask for the final dataset, how it will be transfered and when. May be important to test throughput with the final dataset.
  • Make sure the correct architecture is deployed in each oellm-autoexp in MN5 in this path: /gpfs/projects/ehpc533/users/$USER/oellm-autoexp
  • Test container to use in this setup. Options: nemo_2507, megatron_qwen35 (megatron_core-0.18.0+251c6e9de)
  • Test maximum micro batch size with each GBS.
  • Test if recomputation can help.
  • Weak scaling plots, with up to 256 nodes (1024 GPUs).
  • Test FSDP.
  • Test num_workers to avoid failure of GPFS ulimit with longer runs.
  • Detect bottleneck at each node count. Ideally, we want the GPU to be the bottleneck.

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Start by confirming the Qwen3 dense 8B configuration, final dataset, and container choice for MN5, then inspect the deployment path /gpfs/projects/ehpc533/users/$USER/oellm-autoexp. Work through micro-batch, recomputation, FSDP, worker-count, and bottleneck tests, and finish with weak-scaling plots through 256 nodes (1024 GPUs).

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distributed-systems, machine-learning, performance
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